Comments on: The Dog Days of European Socialized Medicine http://blog.acton.org/archives/12222-the-dog-days-of-european-socialized-medicine.html "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:02:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: World Citizen http://blog.acton.org/archives/12222-the-dog-days-of-european-socialized-medicine.html#comment-7411 World Citizen Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:58:02 +0000 http://blog.acton.org/?p=12222#comment-7411 I would like to dis-argue with the European versus American concept on medicine, living standards etc, etc. I was born in Turkey. One foot in Asia and one in Europe. Did Ph.D. level work in molecular cardiology in USA and I am a over nite blogger on health care. health care is universal and the borders are getting down. Medical-trousim is the best example. http://www.americangenes.com is a particular example. The name sounds like the most racist blog in the world but if you read the content it is neither anglosaxon nor racist. As long as people from Europe, USA get medıcal services in India, Istanbul we can not talk about medical domains. United colors of medicine is the reality. I would like to dis-argue with the European versus American concept on medicine, living standards etc, etc.

I was born in Turkey. One foot in Asia and one in Europe. Did Ph.D. level work in molecular cardiology in USA and I am a over nite blogger on health care.

health care is universal and the borders are getting down. Medical-trousim is the best example.

http://www.americangenes.com is a particular example. The name sounds like the most racist blog in the world but if you read the content it is neither anglosaxon nor racist.

As long as people from Europe, USA get medıcal services in India, Istanbul we can not talk about medical domains.

United colors of medicine is the reality.

]]> By: Calces d'estopa http://blog.acton.org/archives/12222-the-dog-days-of-european-socialized-medicine.html#comment-7189 Calces d'estopa Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:40:11 +0000 http://blog.acton.org/?p=12222#comment-7189 Ooops excuse me for not following through questions ..anyway as a non-american I'd rather not turn the heat on a domestic debate. Just one thought for your consideration, from someone who shares a catholic scope..But do not think about Europe as a paradise for abortion Western Europe http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/mapeuropeabrate.html is quite similar to the US in rates http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/mapstatesabrate.html.Even Ex-socialist countries are just a completely different case.. And in regulations you do not have an individual "right" to have an abortion...as in roe vs wade. Its more.. that malforminations, raping ... or psychological risks aare covered Neil, nobody says countries X are Utopia..As it might well be that people want other valuable things in life besides living long years in good conditions... ;-). People wants also opportunity, challenge.. whatever.(.even "live fast die young" ;-) ..so they take the boat... Seriously it could be argued that you're compromising opportunity or the "american promise" by extending health coverage...dependence culture etc...This is what W Kristol argued against the Clintons reform. Again , how universal coverage guarantees citizen's freedom to pursuit happiness? Well you can leave a job, or say no an abusive boss without fearing ruin..if a relative is seriously ill.. http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2009/08/god_save_the_nhs.cfm I think also that your current system is more expensive..and I see a problem therr . Aren't you paying more for less with your current system ?.Also that administrative costs (not R&D costs ) are incredibly higher in the US and this appears unsound ..I would expect efficiency from the market..not more red tape..I do have enough of this already.. Is this a good way of connecting good intentions with sound economics?. You could say that it is a "free" way of doing things . But is this the "catholic way"? About life expectancy in the US, It has been stated also that it is unrelated to the health system. Also that US has been smoking harder than other countries.. US is better curing cancers .. Then the question would be if the US is also good at providing some basics and in prevention?.. avoiding expensive E.R. care...You could say you don't mind , that this is not the point, but again, does it make economic sense? Regards Ooops excuse me for not following through questions ..anyway as a non-american I’d rather not turn the heat on a domestic debate. Just one thought for your consideration, from someone who shares a catholic scope..But do not think about Europe as a paradise for abortion Western Europe
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/mapeuropeabrate.html
is quite similar to the US in rates
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/mapstatesabrate.html.Even

Ex-socialist countries are just a completely different case.. And in regulations you do not have an individual “right” to have an abortion…as in roe vs wade. Its more.. that malforminations, raping … or psychological risks aare covered

Neil, nobody says countries X are Utopia..As it might well be that people want other valuable things in life besides living long years in good conditions… ;-) . People wants also opportunity, challenge.. whatever.(.even “live fast die young” ;-) ..so they take the boat… Seriously it could be argued that you’re compromising opportunity or the “american promise” by extending health coverage…dependence culture etc…This is what W Kristol argued against the Clintons reform.

Again , how universal coverage guarantees citizen’s freedom to pursuit happiness? Well you can leave a job, or say no an abusive boss without fearing ruin..if a relative is seriously ill..
http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2009/08/god_save_the_nhs.cfm

I think also that your current system is more expensive..and I see a problem therr . Aren’t you paying more for less with your current system ?.Also that administrative costs (not R&D costs ) are incredibly higher in the US and this appears unsound ..I would expect efficiency from the market..not more red tape..I do have enough of this already.. Is this a good way of connecting good intentions with sound economics?. You could say that it is a “free” way of doing things . But is this the “catholic way”?

About life expectancy in the US, It has been stated also that it is unrelated to the health system. Also that US has been smoking harder than other countries..
US is better curing cancers .. Then the question would be if the US is also good at providing some basics and in prevention?.. avoiding expensive E.R. care…You could say you don’t mind , that this is not the point, but again, does it make economic sense?

Regards

]]> By: father Benjamin http://blog.acton.org/archives/12222-the-dog-days-of-european-socialized-medicine.html#comment-7155 father Benjamin Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:42:12 +0000 http://blog.acton.org/?p=12222#comment-7155 Congratulation, Mr. Severece for your post on Socialized Medicine. Do you mind if I will insert it on my website? I think to post it into the chapter about Health Care: http://www.storialibera.it/attualita/sanita_e_stato/ Do you allow me? Congratulation, Mr. Severece for your post on Socialized Medicine.
Do you mind if I will insert it on my website?
I think to post it into the chapter about Health Care: http://www.storialibera.it/attualita/sanita_e_stato/

Do you allow me?

]]> By: Neal Lang http://blog.acton.org/archives/12222-the-dog-days-of-european-socialized-medicine.html#comment-7064 Neal Lang Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:16:13 +0000 http://blog.acton.org/?p=12222#comment-7064 "Yet in Western Europe we live longer and healthier lifes..Being 50th is not something I would be proud of." Longer, compared to what? Macau? BTW, if Europe was all that better of place to live than why are US immigrant quotas filled every year and there are incredibily long lines waiting to get in. BTW, if Western Europe is such a Utopia, why than is their population contracting. I suppose being "selfish" is the Europen prerequisite to "longer and healthier lives" for some. The key to the CIA stat is "at birth." If you are aborted or never conceived you can live at all, much less for a long time. “Yet in Western Europe we live longer and healthier lifes..Being 50th is not something I would be proud of.”

Longer, compared to what? Macau? BTW, if Europe was all that better of place to live than why are US immigrant quotas filled every year and there are incredibily long lines waiting to get in. BTW, if Western Europe is such a Utopia, why than is their population contracting. I suppose being “selfish” is the Europen prerequisite to “longer and healthier lives” for some. The key to the CIA stat is “at birth.” If you are aborted or never conceived you can live at all, much less for a long time.

]]> By: Glenn Sunshine http://blog.acton.org/archives/12222-the-dog-days-of-european-socialized-medicine.html#comment-7031 Glenn Sunshine Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:20:44 +0000 http://blog.acton.org/?p=12222#comment-7031 Ask a different question about the statistics: since we're dealing with healthcare (and estimated lifespan at birth is only partly about healthcare), what is the survival rate of e.g. people with different kinds of cancer? What are the outcomes of medical treatment for other conditions? If you eliminate e.g. auto accidents, murders and suicides--tragically, among the leading causes of death among American youth--what happens to life expectancy here and in Europe? I think the results would surprise you. Ask a different question about the statistics: since we’re dealing with healthcare (and estimated lifespan at birth is only partly about healthcare), what is the survival rate of e.g. people with different kinds of cancer? What are the outcomes of medical treatment for other conditions? If you eliminate e.g. auto accidents, murders and suicides–tragically, among the leading causes of death among American youth–what happens to life expectancy here and in Europe? I think the results would surprise you.

]]> By: Calces d'estopa http://blog.acton.org/archives/12222-the-dog-days-of-european-socialized-medicine.html#comment-7013 Calces d'estopa Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:40:57 +0000 http://blog.acton.org/?p=12222#comment-7013 Yes PETA is sometimes more effective than consumer and patients rights activist..and Brits are quite sentimental on their pets.. Yet in Western Europe we live longer and healthier lifes..Being 50th is not something I would be proud of. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html In Mezzogiorno organised crime is involved all government levels not just Health. Not in Unions though i.e. lawyers do not chase ambulances Quite biased picture IMHO.Acton would not try to outcall a tea party. Regards Yes PETA is sometimes more effective than consumer and patients rights activist..and Brits are quite sentimental on their pets..

Yet in Western Europe we live longer and healthier lifes..Being 50th is not something I would be proud of.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

In Mezzogiorno organised crime is involved all government levels not just Health. Not in Unions though

i.e. lawyers do not chase ambulances

Quite biased picture IMHO.Acton would not try to outcall a tea party.

Regards

]]> By: Dave http://blog.acton.org/archives/12222-the-dog-days-of-european-socialized-medicine.html#comment-6967 Dave Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:55:56 +0000 http://blog.acton.org/?p=12222#comment-6967 Another good one: Elderly patients in England are denied a drug to treat age-related macular degeneration until they lose 1 eye. They may then be allowed to use the drug to save the other eye. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6081480.stm Another good one: Elderly patients in England are denied a drug to treat age-related macular degeneration until they lose 1 eye. They may then be allowed to use the drug to save the other eye.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6081480.stm

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